{"id":91766,"date":"2025-06-06T15:52:46","date_gmt":"2025-06-06T20:52:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sites-stage.josh.org\/main\/?p=91766"},"modified":"2025-06-10T13:12:18","modified_gmt":"2025-06-10T18:12:18","slug":"good-without-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites-stage.josh.org\/main\/good-without-god\/","title":{"rendered":"Can You Be Good Without God? A Trick Question About Morality"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"bsf_rt_marker\"><\/div>\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"91766\" class=\"elementor elementor-91766\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7df730e e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"7df730e\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;jet_parallax_layout_list&quot;:[]}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-802a54f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"802a54f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2>The Atheist&#8217;s Challenge: Moral Actions Without Belief<\/h2><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Several years ago, the late atheist Christopher Hitchens issued a challenge to Christians everywhere. In <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4TnA3b8MhD0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">a short YouTube clip<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, he said, \u201cIf it\u2019s to be argued that our morality\u2026 can be derived from the supernatural, then name me\u2026 a moral action taken by a believer, or a moral statement uttered by one that could not have been made or uttered by\u2026 a nonbeliever.\u201d<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Challenge. Personally, though, I don\u2019t really care. For Hitchens or anyone to issue a challenge of this sort is to fundamentally misunderstand what Christians mean when we say that morality comes from God. To see this, let\u2019s back up and ask this crucial question: <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Can I be Good without God?<\/span><\/i><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h2>Reframing the Question: Belief in God vs. The Existence of God<\/h2><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>The Common Misinterpretation<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The answer to our question may seem obvious to you, as it seemed obvious to Hitchens and many others, both Christian or otherwise. Is it good to give money to a noble charity? Yes. Can a non-Christians give money to a noble charity? Yes. Therefore, a non-Christian can do something good.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Problem solved, right?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Not really.<\/span><\/p><h3>The Real Philosophical Question<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">In truth, the question, \u201cCan I be good without God?\u201d is kind of a trick question. Notice how it\u2019s phrased. We are not asking if a person can do good things without <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">believing<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> in God. We are asking if a person can do good things <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">without God<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. In other words, if God doesn\u2019t exist, are we able to do good things?<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"padding-left: 40px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.josh.org\/trust-gods-goodness\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Related: Why we Need to Trust God\u2019s Goodness<\/span><\/a><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The answer may still seem to be an obvious \u201cyes.\u201d We can perform the same moral actions (such as giving money to a noble charity) whether or not God exists. However, if God does not exist, it becomes impossible to say those actions are, in fact, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">moral<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. This is what Hitchens failed to recognize. Evidently, he wasn\u2019t thinking well enough about what makes something morally good.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h2>What is the Basis for Goodness in a Universe Without God?<\/h2><p>\u00a0<\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Imagine there is no supernatural reality and God doesn\u2019t exist. Everything in this universe is purely natural, composed of nothing more than atoms bound together in complex ways, moving about by various chemical and physical processes. Now, ask yourself: what makes something morally good?<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>Searching for Secular Foundations<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Perhaps you think an action is good if it obeys the law. Or, maybe it is good if it feels pleasurable, or it brings the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest number of people. If you\u2019re a die-hard Darwinist, you might say something is good if it helps a species survive or evolve. But of all those answers, what do any of them have to do with <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">goodness<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">? Why is following the law good? Why is pleasure better than pain? Why is survival better than death? At the end of the day, all of these outcomes would amount to nothing more than different motions and arrangements of atoms in the universe.<\/span><\/p><h3>The Problem of Arbitrary Standards<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I could arrange Legos in any arrangement I want, but no arrangement is morally good or evil. Change Legos to anything else, like chemicals of pain or pleasure in the brain, and I fail to see how it makes any difference whatsoever.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"padding-left: 40px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.familylife.com\/articles\/topics\/faith\/essentials-faith\/growing-in-your-faith\/what-it-means-to-be-good\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">More from Cru: What it Means to be Good<\/span><\/a><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Why Objective Morality Points to God<\/span><\/h2><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>Acknowledging the Subjectivity of Values<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Let\u2019s face it: real objective morality in a universe without God would be <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">weird<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">, to say the least. This is precisely what J.L. Mackie, whom <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/content.time.com\/time\/subscriber\/article\/0,33009,921990-6,00.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Time Magazine<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400\"> called \u201cperhaps the ablest of today&#8217;s atheistic philosophers,\u201d argued for in a piece he wrote called <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The Subjectivity of Values<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. It is also why many nontheistic philosophers argue that labeling something as \u201cgood\u201d or \u201cbad\u201d doesn\u2019t state any fact about the world, but rather expresses a person&#8217;s opinion about an issue.<\/span><\/p><h3>Goodness as Part of God&#8217;s Nature<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">But what happens when we bring God into the picture? With God, morality finally makes sense. First, we can say that our feelings are more than just brain events; they are real, meaningful experiences of the soul. Second, there is more to the universe than just a complex arrangement of atoms; God made the universe with value, enriching his creation with purpose and sacredness. It\u2019s not that God randomly decided what is moral and immoral. Rather, goodness is part of God\u2019s nature, and he constructed the universe with morality woven into its fabric.<\/span><\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p><h2>Our Response: Living in a Morally Rich World<\/h2><p>\u00a0<\/p><h3>The Conclusive Answer<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">So, let\u2019s return to our original question: Can I be good without God? If you mean to ask, \u201cCan I be good without believing in God?\u201d then the answer is yes, but that isn\u2019t a very interesting or helpful question to explore. However, if you\u2019re asking, \u201cCan real, objective, moral goodness exist without God?\u201d the answer is no. And since the answer is no, it\u2019s not possible to be good without God. So it\u2019s not that Christians believe they can do good things and their non-Christian friends cannot (as Hitchens seemed to think). It\u2019s that when <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">anyone <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">(Christian or otherwise) does something moral, the action is truly moral because morality is grounded in God.<\/span><\/p><h3>The Responsibility of Moral Knowledge<\/h3><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As Christians, we may feel pleased to know we can speak meaningfully about morality. At the same time, we are confronted with a piercing reality. <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The law of morality is just as real as the law of gravity<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">. Take care, then, that you live accordingly, lest you fall and hit the ground hard. When God commands us to walk in purity amidst sexual temptation, to speak in gentleness to our difficult classmate, or to give generously despite another pay cut, these are not optional suggestions that we can weigh against our own desires. They are commands from the source of all authority, built into our conscience, and in accordance with the fabric of nature. 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